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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:00 am
by Barabajagal
Did someone say "old and cranky?"

No. 1, I like that distinction between "derivative" and "evolutionary." I will wind up using it so much I'll come to believe I made it up. Apologies in advance.

"Innovation" is so overrated in pop music it's not even funny. Radiohead is really "innovative" (I think) and yet, objectively, what do they do that Pink Floyd hasn't? We have to think more like classical and jazz people (or really anyone pre-Dylan/Beatles), who come to expect a lot of pilfering of influences.

No. 2, I have to believe part of what fatigues and makes cranky is the "biz" aspect--what reviewers say and of course what the PR people told the reviewers to say, in conjunction with that strange, seemingly sudden and arbitrary PR push some bands get. For ex. to compare Bright Eyes to Dylan insults everyone's intelligence, and it's no fair to Bright Eyes--but it will help him sell CDs. It's apples & oranges but yet reviewers see fit to repeat that comparison, even if to (weakly) disown it / repudiate it.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:46 am
by worpswede
38 here...You gotta problem with that punk? Not feeling it though. With the exception of a recent revelation: I am growing tired of standing for hours on end next to drunken people barely over the legal drinking age in a haze of cigarette smoke while the 6'2" rugby player blocks my view of the stage while he tries to hit on chicks. Now, I just want to sit down with a shot of Cutty and a bottle of Harp while I check out the gear as they play.
And for the record: derivative makes me feel good. It allows me to pull out Squeeze's "Argy Bargy" album and pass it off as new & trendy.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:03 pm
by quasarwutwut
Speaking of hot new material, have you guys heard this Lawrence Welk Orchestra? These guys are awesome!

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:21 pm
by DJMurphy
quasarwutwut wrote:Speaking of hot new material, have you guys heard this Lawrence Welk Orchestra? These guys are awesome!

Nah, that guy's a rank amateur... Now my man Mantovani... that cat can ROCK!!! Listening to him made me realize that all those years I wasted listening to Alex Chilton, Paul Westerberg, Bob Mould... John Lennon, even... WASTED!!! The true poet, is, of course, my man Mantovani. I sleep better at night. And if I'm not careful, I sleep better in the daytime, even while driving. IT'S THAT BORING!!

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:24 pm
by Batchy
creepy wrote:iso in conclusion, don't let no punk ass kids tell you what's good... you already know...


That pretty much sums it up for me Creeps! Plain 'n' simple!

Adios for a couple of weeks 'Noids. Off to Copenhagen for a break. Hopefully i'll have lots of interesting posting to catch with up on return!

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:36 am
by steve-o
Revived because this always seems to get the conversation rolling.

Three really good points made here:

"Fuck you, old man. This is now. This band is putting out albums right now. For me. This is mine. Jimi Hendrix is dead. So fuck you.


Something to keep in mind whenever we knock...whatever it is the kids are listening to these days. Let 'em have their Panic at the Disco. At least they're giving a shit about something resembling music.

Death metal, grindcore, black metal, nu metal.... it doesn't really do anything for me, but I also think it's not being made for me


Something else to keep in mind. I say this a lot to temper my initial knee jerk reaction to whatever band of assymmetrical haircuts pops into my vision.

I am growing tired of standing for hours on end next to drunken people barely over the legal drinking age in a haze of cigarette smoke while the 6'2" rugby player blocks my view of the stage while he tries to hit on chicks. Now, I just want to sit down with a shot of Cutty and a bottle of Harp while I check out the gear as they play.


I'm finding this is happening to me a lot more these days. Plus, the sound is better near the board, towards the back and in the middle, anyway.

Seriously, these points even apply to a band like Brokencyde. I know what all of our initial reactions were. I thought the same thing. But think about it: a major appeal of music when you're younger is how bad it pisses off your parents right? So how exactly is one to offend a generation of parents that grew up on NWA and Anal Cunt? No small feat. So of course I don't get it: it's not made for me to get.

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:57 pm
by Lurker01
Apology accepted Steve-O.
That makes 3 just this year. Surely I can't have hacked this many people's accounts.
Anyone else want to come over to the tolerance side, or is it time for the hate monkeys to dance for me again?

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:09 pm
by worpswede
Now into the forties since my last comment to this. The Cutty has been replaced with a soda and the urge to find a seat is even greater. I got caught in the midst of a crowd of people pushing towards the stage about a year ago and thought "Fuck this. This is not how or where I want to die." before storming back to a safe spot by the soundboard. While there, I met up with a pair of people my age who laughed at my short attempt to relive my youth. Let me tell you where it will get you: a brief feeling of panic followed by three beers getting spilled on you and the smell of the sweat of every single dude that was around you.
I lasted one song before I escaped certain death.
I will not do that again.
It's not that bad by the soundboards. You get the best sound, get to watch the stage and you can watch the freakshow that is the crowd.
Update: the bars around here are smoke-free which has made the rock club experience so much better for me. I used to have to come home and shower before crawling into bed because of all the smoke, but now I don't have to. I used to smoke, so I can understand how some would find this as absurd, but as an old dude now, I totally love the "fresh" air.

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:02 pm
by miss carol
Yep, I agree with Worps. The next show I'm going to (Neko Case) has seats, too. My knees have basically given up on me and I'm in pain if I have to stand for more than an hour.

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:27 pm
by worpswede
I would still encourage everyone under thirty to get up front as much as you can. Flirt with danger. Stand your ground. You get better lift if you can push off the stage monitors.
Some of my greatest shows ever were in the danger zone. Nearly fighting with a lesbian to get touched by Iggy. Moving a sweaty David Yow over my head, carefully avoiding his "tight & shiny." Getting a shiner from an unruly elbow at a G.B.H. show.
What's that line that Royal Tenenbaum used? Mix it up a bit. Get dogs blood on you.
I'll talk some jive like you've never heard.
And have sex as much as you can.
/advice