Sacred Cow Bands where you just don't get the appeal: A rant

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Postby jaimoe0 » Tue Mar 11, 2003 5:49 am

This is exactly how I used to describe Rollins' work back in the mid-90s. I never understood the idolation he got back then. I'm glad it's worn off as he's a big bore.


Derek, did you really write the word "idolation?" I'm sure Fred Durst would be in agreeance.

And don't pick on Big Star if you haven't listened to them much. I wonder how much Stu has listened to them if he's comparing them to the Steve Miller Band.

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Postby Jake » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:06 pm

Six-year bump.

I think this is both fun and apropos.

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Postby Ad » Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:32 pm

I'll start. I also admit to not rereading all 12 pages of this threat--just the first and last couple.

Regarding Rollins, who really wasn't a sacred cow in the first place: I love early Black Flag. The pre-Rollins stuff is terrific but their best work, in my opinion, is Damaged. Certainly one of the best (if not THE BEST) hardcore album out there. I think it's funny how my opinion of Rollins has come full circle: Loved him in Black Flag. Hated his solo career. Really hated him being on all of these macho reality shows back when this thread was started in 'ought 3. Now, after seeing him comment in a couple of great documentaries (The Clash: Westway to the World and Punk: Attitude), I really like him again. He's just so enthusiastic about the bands and music he loves, it's hard not to find him likable!

On to real Sacred Cows: Neutral Milk Hotel. I admit to being very late to the game on this and the entire Elephant 6 collective. I downloaded the album a couple of years ago from emusic to finally see what the fuss is about. Well, the only nice thing I can say for them and Jeff Magnum, in particular is: good lyrics. I cannot stand his voice. I like Malkmus and other off-key singers, but his voice is nails-on-chalkboard to me. I listened to it 3 or 4 times and haven't touched it since. If I'm ever about to run out of hard drive space, that will be one of the first albums to go. (To me) It sucks. Flame on!

As for the rest of Elephant 6, oddly the one band that I am really enjoying is the one that seems to get ripped on the most. Of Montreal is great, I think. I've downloaded 4 or 5 of their albums now. I actually prefer the later stuff--I haven't heard the new one, but Hissing Fauna, Satanic Panic, and Sunlandic Twins are all really good. The only one I've heard and don't like is typically rated as their strongest work: Gay Parade.

Apples in Stereo? It's nice. Not great, but nice. I'd rather listen to Brendan Benson's solo stuff.
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Postby worpswede » Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:41 pm

Ad wrote:
On to real Sacred Cows: Neutral Milk Hotel. I admit to being very late to the game on this and the entire Elephant 6 collective..

I understand this too. I've seen them live years ago, like their albums, but cannot CANNOT fathom why they are deities. They were back then too; the crowd was more crazed for them than Superchunk, the band that I went to see. I understand why people like them, but I don't get why the love them to the point where, after only two albums, they're treated with such reverance. I've had discussions about this with friends who also agree, so you are not alone.
And why anyone would wade through how many hours of amateur night just to hear a solo accoustic version of "Engine" is beyond me. I applaud the effort and enjoy hearing about it, but I'd rather watch Hellboy for the millionth time than to be a part of that idol worship.
Doesn't DJ MURPHY have some shit he'd like to swing towards The Doors?!

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Postby miss carol » Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:52 pm

I don't get Neutral Milk Hotel either. I bought the CD and I'm left scratching my head. They even have a 33 1/3 book, which I will read if only to figure out what the fuss is about.

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Postby worpswede » Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:53 pm

miss carol wrote:I don't get Neutral Milk Hotel either. I bought the CD and I'm left scratching my head. They even have a 33 1/3 book, which I will read if only to figure out what the fuss is about.
I thought about getting that one for the exact same reason.

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Postby D. Phillips » Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:25 pm

You guys are about to feel Jake Brown's wrath. You've been warned.

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Postby Josh B. » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:05 pm

I have never listened to the Neutral Milk Hotel album and most likely won't in the near future. Great album cover though.

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Postby jonas » Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:28 pm

On to real Sacred Cows: Neutral Milk Hotel. I admit to being very late to the game on this and the entire Elephant 6 collective. I downloaded the album a couple of years ago from emusic to finally see what the fuss is about. Well, the only nice thing I can say for them and Jeff Magnum, in particular is: good lyrics. I cannot stand his voice. I like Malkmus and other off-key singers, but his voice is nails-on-chalkboard to me. I listened to it 3 or 4 times and haven't touched it since. If I'm ever about to run out of hard drive space, that will be one of the first albums to go. (To me) It sucks. Flame on!


Oy. No flame here, but if I ever started rejecting bands because the singer's voice 'sucked' (in someone's opinion) I might lose a quarter of my CDs. Yeah his voice is grating, but I love the end-to-end lo-fi sound (from voice to instruments), the weird sounds, and the lyrics that go back and forth between impenetrable and so obsessed with Anne Frank that he sounds like his heart's been ripped out. A lot of it is impressionistic, but what the fuck, it sounds really honest.

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Postby DJMurphy » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:44 am

worpswede wrote:Doesn't DJ MURPHY have some shit he'd like to swing towards The Doors?!

Pfffft, The fuckin' Doors of perception my ass. Picking on the Doors is like shooting fish in a barrel; not much sport involved. Their music was really nothing special, Jim Morrison was an embarrassingly shitty poet (Saucy Jack is a better wordsmith), he wasn't shocking, he hammed it up and chewed the scenery, he didn't sing he moaned!! I've heard better "singing" from dudes in a porno flick. Their only respectable songs were the SHORT version of "Light My Fire" and "Hello, I Love You", which I'd put on the same level of pop significance as Tommy James and the Shondells' songs. Which, granted, is higher than Herman's Hermits and the Foundations. But not by much. The Doors sucked, and Denis Leary nailed it when he said he could condense that damn movie of theirs into six words: "I'm drunk, I'm nobody. I'm drunk, I'm famous. I'm drunk, I'm dead. End of fucking movie!!"


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