Sacred Cow Bands where you just don't get the appeal: A rant

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Postby Ad » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:46 am

Like I said, I love a lot of music where the singer doesn't have a conventionally good voice. I used Stephen Malkmus as an example, but there are loads more. Lou Reed, Tom Waits, Tom Verlaine, etc, etc. And I did say that the lyrics were good. Very interesting. I wanted to like it, I just didn't warm to his voice. At all. And I also said that, "to me" it sucks. NMH is a sacred cow band and I know they are loved by loads of people who love music. Obviously there is something there for some people. I just don't get it. Takes more than good lyrics to make good music.
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Postby DJMurphy » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:47 am

BTW, a really good Elephant 6 album is Olivia Tremor Control's Music From the Unrealized Film Script: Dusk at Cubist Castle. Wonderful stuff. I can't speak towards Neutral Milk Hotel; I still have to hear Aeroplane. But OTC put out a great album that stands on its own as a great platter.

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Postby O! » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:50 am

I'm not so hot to trot for Modest Mouse either.

Here's the real sacred cow that I never understood: Jane's Addiction. I can even play a couple of their riffs. I grew up in So. Cal. I never got 'em.

Same with Red Hot Chili Peppers. Under The Bridge is cool, the sock thing was totally hilarious. But, I've never been a fan of the white boy rap funk.

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Postby jonas » Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:41 am

Ad wrote:Like I said, I love a lot of music where the singer doesn't have a conventionally good voice. I used Stephen Malkmus as an example, but there are loads more. Lou Reed, Tom Waits, Tom Verlaine, etc, etc. And I did say that the lyrics were good. Very interesting. I wanted to like it, I just didn't warm to his voice. At all. And I also said that, "to me" it sucks. NMH is a sacred cow band and I know they are loved by loads of people who love music. Obviously there is something there for some people. I just don't get it. Takes more than good lyrics to make good music.


Yes...I think I posted more argumentatively than I felt. In reality our lives as music lovers are filled with loving music other people may not like, and disliking music other people love...if we agreed on everything, we'd all have to get married.

W/respect to other bands, I never got RHCP, but I'm not sure they're a sacred cow. Now Bob Dylan, that's a sacred cow I don't totally get. I suspect that comes from having first listened to a lot of artists who derived something from him, and then (only after that) hearing him directly. I do understand that he fundamentally changed music in a remarkable away, but listening to his albums usually doesn't do much for me, and I'm always a little startled to talk to someone who goes on and on about how amazing he is.

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Postby Lep » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:10 am

Ha! Looks like all we needed to get posting was a little scolding from the boss.

Anyway, another reason for my fewer posts is that I've nearly exhausted my opinions, ha ha.

So here's one of my answers to this question, about Joy Divison. But I do very much like "Love Will Tear Us Apart." That riff rivals that of the aliens in "Close Encounters."

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Postby Jake » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:13 am

No wrath from me. It took me a while to come around to NMH. But once I did, I got obsessed like a teenager...and it felt great. Downloading bootlegs, rarities, etc. Love that feeling.

The 33 1/3 book is cool, but it's more about what went into recording it, so if you're looking more for what the fuss is about, you'd be better off saving $10 and reading the 3-part thesis we published here (1,2,3). The language might be a little more academic and highfalutin than you like, but I think it does a good job of explaining how the album creates such an emotional connection with its listeners.

And I think Mangum's voice is powerful and awesome. And Jeremy Barnes' drumming kicks the shit out of your ass.

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Postby steve-o » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:54 am

DJMurphy wrote:Pfffft, The fuckin' Doors of perception my ass. Picking on the Doors is like shooting fish in a barrel; not much sport involved. Their music was really nothing special, Jim Morrison was an embarrassingly shitty poet (Saucy Jack is a better wordsmith), he wasn't shocking, he hammed it up and chewed the scenery, he didn't sing he moaned!! I've heard better "singing" from dudes in a porno flick. Their only respectable songs were the SHORT version of "Light My Fire" and "Hello, I Love You", which I'd put on the same level of pop significance as Tommy James and the Shondells' songs. Which, granted, is higher than Herman's Hermits and the Foundations. But not by much. The Doors sucked, and Denis Leary nailed it when he said he could condense that damn movie of theirs into six words: "I'm drunk, I'm nobody. I'm drunk, I'm famous. I'm drunk, I'm dead. End of fucking movie!!"


No, no "respectable songs" there. Fuck the Doors. Mediocre musicians backed up by a talentless, egotistical drunk who thankfully spared the world of more of his bad poetry when he plopped his bloated ass into a bathtub and dropped dead.

The Doors are like the Eagles in that their suckiness is not simply a matter of opinion. It's a fact. It's like disputing gravity exists.

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Postby Mixmaster Shecky » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:50 pm

NMH has been up and down for me - I will probably never get sick of '2-Headed Boy' and 'King Of Carrot Flowers', but the rest of their stuff I hardly ever listen to. Same deal for most of the Elephant 6: one or two songs I'll really dig, the rest sounds like more of the same.

Okay, also, I will go on record to state that I just don't get Of Montreal. All they do is make me want to dust off my old They Might Be Giants discs. Or spin Vampire Weekend (which is on heavy rotation at Chez Shecky).

Just me?

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Postby Ad » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:21 pm

DJMurphy wrote:BTW, a really good Elephant 6 album is Olivia Tremor Control's Music From the Unrealized Film Script: Dusk at Cubist Castle. Wonderful stuff. I can't speak towards Neutral Milk Hotel; I still have to hear Aeroplane. But OTC put out a great album that stands on its own as a great platter.


Thanks for the recommendation, Murph. I forgot about Olivia Tremor Control. I'll give them a shot.

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Postby Barabajagal » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:18 am

Most times I read old posts and say "I still think that." I've changed on this--getting really into Chris Bell's solo record opened the door to appreciating Big Star for what they are a lot more. And I've always liked Built to Spill so I don't know why I ever put them on here.


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