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Postby booker » Wed May 31, 2006 10:25 am

I picked up Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum (sp?) once again. I finally started making some headway in the book. Yay.

Also picked up David Eggers You Shall Know Your Velocity but haven't started it.

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Postby miss carol » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:52 am

What trashy books do you men read? I'm talking the equivalent of FHM magazine-type stuff. Women's trash is well-known (e.g., chicklit), but is there an equivalent for men?

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Postby Barabajagal » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:30 am

miss carol wrote:What trashy books do you men read? I'm talking the equivalent of FHM magazine-type stuff. Women's trash is well-known (e.g., chicklit), but is there an equivalent for men?


Porn?

I don't think there's any male parallel to chick lit, but if there were, we might have to call it "chick lit."

I have a weakness for books that deal with behind the scenes of rock bands, politics, and sports, which is sort of "guy"ish maybe but not exactly trash.

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Postby hebrew hammer » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:14 pm

Dick Lit

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Postby BeaArthur5-49 » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:54 pm

Barabajagal wrote:I don't think there's any male parallel to chick lit, but if there were, we might have to call it "chick lit."


Well, after the surprise success of High Fidelidity (the Nick Hornby book, not the REO Speedwagon record) there was a feeble attempt by the pubishing industry to create a literary genre called "Lad Lit." It produced a couple of interesting novels -- Mike Gayle's My Legendary Girlfriend was good, though he's generally disappointing -- and a whole lot of marginal stuff -- Love Monkey, Girlfriend 44, etc. It has apparently evolved to become young adult, "emo-boy" books.

As far as boy lit -- or Dick Lit, as HH called it -- Bukowski probably comes as close as anybody. The late, great Thompson is another, and of course, the biggest of 'em all, Father Jack.

Barabajagal wrote:I have a weakness for books that deal with behind the scenes of rock bands, politics, and sports, which is sort of "guy"ish maybe but not exactly trash.


D'ja read The Dirt, Motely Crue's inside story? It's pretty sweet.

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Postby LionIndex » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:58 pm

miss carol wrote:What trashy books do you men read? I'm talking the equivalent of FHM magazine-type stuff. Women's trash is well-known (e.g., chicklit), but is there an equivalent for men?

Tom Clancy? Louis L'amour? John Le Carre`?

I was emailing a female friend who complained about having to wade through chick lit to find "good" books, and it made me ask the same question you did. I think most "dick lit" (thx, hammer) ends up just being classified as pulpy novels rather than having a sexist epithet attached to it, just because things are still slightly sexist. Certain authors -- I'm thinking Grisham, Hiassen, and Pahlahniuk -- pump out almost the same book over and over again that take no time to read and do little to advance writing as an art form, but they don't get tagged with a gender label for doing it, and I think they're not doing anything all that different than your standard chick lit author.

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Postby LionIndex » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:14 pm

BeaArthur5-49 wrote:As far as boy lit -- or Dick Lit, as HH called it -- Bukowski probably comes as close as anybody. The late, great Thompson is another, and of course, the biggest of 'em all, Father Jack.

To my thinking, all those authors fail the "trashy" test, and don't generally seem to be marketed toward stereotypical "guys". Love Monkey and Nick Hornby seem to be closer to the target.

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Postby miss carol » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:12 pm

Hornby, Thomson, et al are seen as literary fiction/non-fiction as the case may be.

I guess Clancy, Hiassen (who I love) etc. fit more of the "dick lit," though they tend towards different conventions for their genre but also take the stereotypes offered up by similarly targeted magazines. I looked at a couple of websites today (askmen.com was one) and none had a books sections (mags may be different). On the other hand, women's mags and websites always have a book section. Women traditionally do buy more books.

What spurred this question on was my reading a manuscript written by a man, with a male protagonist, lots of ogling, but weird and unbelievable attempts at emotion. I've yet to make my mind up about it and I was trying to find a readership because I'm not sure guys would buy this sort of thing. Vague, I'm know. You're comments did help, though.

And for the record, I purposely read chick lit (Kinsella, Harlequin, Steele) so I knew what I was criticizing. It is insulting, sexist crap. Jane Austen and Charlotte Bronte examine the same themes (clothes and boyfriends) and are thereby the grandmothers of the genre, but at least they could write without ginormous book advances. (Rant over.)

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Postby Jake » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:51 pm

BeaArthur5-49 wrote:As far as boy lit -- or Dick Lit, as HH called it -- Bukowski probably comes as close as anybody. The late, great Thompson is another, and of course, the biggest of 'em all, Father Jack.

The papa of them all, of course, is Ernest Hemingway.

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Postby MF » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:01 pm

Many of my pals are big fans of early Robert B. Parker and the Travis McGee books by John D. MacDonald.

I don't know if it's dick-lit that I read between the heavy stuff - a better term might be jock-lit...Michael Lewis' Moneyball was the best book I've read in years. I also just finished Jim Bouton's Ball Four -I couldn't put it down.


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