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Postby Little Timmy » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:07 pm

worpswede wrote:The big picture is how fragmented everything is. I don’t listen to radio, MTV doesn’t play videos, there’s so many television options now, the act of listening to music has become so isolated and personalized…it has nothing to do with my age that I haven’t heard these songs! The chart system is irrelevant!


I hope I'm not using worp's quote out of context, but we have repeated every single one of those phrases mantra-like on this board as reasons why we oldsters don't listen to as much new music anymore. Sometimes I, for one, so badly want to return to the old days of the monolithic music industry, when the labels manufactured talent and product; and the radio stations, record stores, MTV, live music venues, and music press duly served it up to us. Life was so easy then! Whether our tastes ran the way of Mariah Carey or My Morning Jacket, the way we experienced new music was common and predictable. Conversations about music tended to be, if nothing else, natural and informed.

We indie folk hoped cheap digital production and internet distribution would make the whole music business (at least, that part of it we liked) more organic and democratic. No doubt, they have. We have witnessed the promise of the punk movement nearly fulfilled, in which any group of kids with enough passion can be a band. Unfortunately, we now have to try to listen to them all, each with awful bandnames and millions of MP3s free-associated across cyberspace. And when we find something we like, we'd be advised not to grow too attached.

Clap Your Hands Say Yeah is (was?) a prime example of how our ADHD-addled internet music culture creates matter from energy, then destroys it in a nanosecond. Say what you like about Alec Ounsworth's voice or CYHSY's obvious musical debts to another New York band, this band self-produced a promising album in 2005 with four or five really good songs songs, hustled it onto the internet, sold 200,000 copies, and toured the planet. By 2008, CYHSY was pretty much history. Their epitaph should read NOT WIRTH THE HIPE IMHO. When you see this happen too many times, especially to bands you like, you start getting a little weary of the conversation.

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Postby MF » Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:06 am

I still read the boards pretty regularly (and keep track of the front page entries) but I don't post all that often as my listening habits have really changed. Sad to say, but it seems like rock and roll is no longer changing my life.

I've also become far less argumentative about something so subjective as music. If someone thinks Animal Collective is the greatest thing since the Arctic Monkeys, good for them. Lord knows Dave Matthews had his followers too.

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Postby Jake » Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:05 am

MF wrote:I don't post all that often as my listening habits have really changed.

So what are you listening to now?

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Postby D. Phillips » Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:02 pm

If someone thinks Animal Collective is the greatest thing since the Arctic Monkeys, good for them. Lord knows Dave Matthews had his followers too.


Brilliant! And proof that you certainly do have something to say.

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Postby MF » Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:04 pm

Jake wrote:So what are you listening to now?

Not much new stuff, maybe three or four acts: Neko Case, M. Ward, Lambchop and Silver Jews (does Lookout Mountain even count as new?)

Otherwise it's:
    1. Stuff I either missed or didn't fully listen to the first time around: Radiohead, Pavement, Flaming Lips;
    2. Jazz: Monk, Mingus, Oscar Peterson live at the Blue Note, Dexter Gordon, early Ornette Coleman, etc.; or
    3. Set the iPod to shuffle and let it decide.

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Postby Jake » Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:05 pm

MF wrote:Not much new stuff, maybe three or four acts: Neko Case, M. Ward, Lambchop and Silver Jews (does Lookout Mountain even count as new?)

Otherwise it's:
    1. Stuff I either missed or didn't fully listen to the first time around: Radiohead, Pavement, Flaming Lips;
    2. Jazz: Monk, Mingus, Oscar Peterson live at the Blue Note, Dexter Gordon, early Ornette Coleman, etc.; or
    3. Set the iPod to shuffle and let it decide.

Right on. So who says we just want to discuss new stuff?

I'd like to hear how your Flaming Lips exploration is going. How deep into their back catalog are you diving?

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Postby MF » Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:01 pm

Jake wrote:Right on. So who says we just want to discuss new stuff?

I'd like to hear how your Flaming Lips exploration is going. How deep into their back catalog are you diving?


I owned Transmissions from the Satellite Heart back in the early 90s, but I wouldn't say I was a big fan of the band. I didn't buy another Lips cd until the Soft Bulletin, which I didn't even like at the time. I was ripping a pile of Cds to my iTunes and I decided to toss in the Soft Bulletin. I was surprised at how much it grabbed me. It quickly became a real favourite.

I tracked down Zaireeka (which I find rather confounding and haven't listened to much) and Clouds Taste Metallic, which is a pretty cool disc. Not sure what to make of Hit to Death in the Future Head - it doesn't even sound like the same band, nor does it really sound like anything I was likely listening to back in 90 or whenver it came out...

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Postby Jake » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:19 pm

One year bump...

Gosh, we certainly got earnest there for a while, didn't we? Ha ha. A little self-examination never hurt anybody, I guess. Good times.

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Postby jaimoe0 » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:29 am

I missed this entire conversation. See what happens when you check out for too long? You miss the good stuff. I have been remiss in posting on the boards. I've been chiming in on the articles on the main page more often, but I miss the give and take, the bitching and moaning, the insults and attaboys. I intend to post more often and listen to more suggestions. We have definitely lost important filters with the democratization of music, so well-informed friends are the best source for new stuff ... even when it sucks.

I also have to say that at my advanced age, and in the spirit of not becoming a fogey stuck in the past, it's become even harder to be a listener of new music. You have more of a sense of history and know that there are trailblazers and icons that got us to where we are today that maybe you need to listen to. Then there is the flood of new stuff through both new and old media to keep up on. And then there's the problem of your established catalog, which for most of us is probably voluminous. In short, discussing new stuff and reading about it somehere like Glono is a Godsend. So let's keep talking, he said a year too late.

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Postby worpswede » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:17 pm

I really enjoy a lot of the pop stuff I've been hearing (and reviewing) from across the pond. Sure, nostaligia has something to do with it-but it's completely refreshing to hear bands pulling from source material like New Romanticism and New Wave than hearing another goddamn retread of post-Nirvana, NYC circa '77, or some mall punk bullshit. The best is when they show a lot more lyrical chops than their inspiration, which many of them are.
And Sweden just continues to impress. What's with their water and their socialist funding of music? Just great.
The Atlanta-area metal scene is another great source of new music.
One thing that I can't figure out is why we're not seeing a huge rise in punk. It seems that the DIY nature of the internet, recording, labels, etc. would be boon for punk bands. How is it that kids seem to have a challenge in producing a local punk showcase but can turn people away at flash mobs? Where is today's Black Flag?


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