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Politics

Postby mikey » Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:48 pm

Bad topic, I know. But still...does anyone here consider her or himself to be politically conservative? Or have, I dunno, "conservative leanings"? Or maybe a "closet conservative"? Anyone even slightly right of center, if only by a few microns? How 'bout a moderate who tripped on his or her shoelaces and fell slightly to the right?

I mean, if you don't want to identify yourself, that's cool and I understand completely. I'm just askin'.

Here's why I'm bringing up such a volatile topic on a rock-and-roll forum: I love rock music, and have been playing in rock bands since 1981. I am not a racist; I don't hate gays and it's cool with me if they want to get married; I've never had sex with my sister/cousin/etc.; I rarely (if ever) go to church; people who want to pee on or burn the American flag are okay by me (if also slightly pitiable); and radical fundametalist Christians are just as scary to me as radical fundamentalist Muslims. Still, my politics are more right than left; my take on American culture and society more traditional than not.

In the rock world, this either makes you a lunatic (like Ted Nugent), an iconoclast (but only if you were cool enough to be in the Ramones or X), or a poor, misguided, even possibly dangerous soul who missed all the good and lasting lessons that the counterculture of the 1960s had to teach us.

So seriously...am I all alone out here?

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Postby dieblucasdie » Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:57 pm

I don't mean to put you on the spot, but are you conservative enough to have voted for Bush?

The only rightish person around these parts (that I know of) is Chris G. (AKA Dotman), who (correct me if I'm wrong) is some sort of libertarian. But I think this thread might be a good idea, since there's probably a conservative or two around here who's been afraid to join in the political threads, since they tend to devolve into the sort of anti-Bush rhetoric that gets us all on FBI watch lists pretty quickly.

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Postby D. Phillips » Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:58 pm

Well, from your second paragraph there, I don't see much right-leaning on your part. What issues to find yourself looking right?

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Postby mikey » Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:05 pm

dieblucasdie wrote:I don't mean to put you on the spot, but are you conservative enough to have voted for Bush?


Yep...twice.

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Postby mikey » Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:12 pm

D. Phillips wrote:Well, from your second paragraph there, I don't see much right-leaning on your part. What issues to find yourself looking right?


Lots! But mostly those related to national security, defense, and the conduct of the war on terrorism. And no flames, please...I'm surrounded by anti-war types of all stripes, flavors, and intensity-levels here at work (in academia), so trust me: I've probably heard it before.

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Postby D. Phillips » Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:14 pm

Couldn't the three you just listed really be one? And is that the extent of it? Is it safe to assume you lean more right in rgards to taxes and social programs?

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Postby mikey » Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:28 pm

D. Phillips wrote:Couldn't the three you just listed really be one?


The three are obviously interrelated, but my assumption is that each has its own unique sub-set of challenges. So I guess it depends on your point of view...but what the hell do I know? And sure, I try to keep the government's hand out of my wallet, and prefer to make up my own mind about what sorts of social causes to support with my bucks.

But honestly, I think this thread would be a lot more interesting if we explored what place, if any, there is for conservative voices in rock, rather than dissecting my politics or conservative politics in general.

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Postby Jiggle Billy » Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:32 pm

mikey wrote:But honestly, I think this thread would be a lot more interesting if we explored what place, if any, there is for conservative voices in rock, rather than dissecting my politics or conservative politics in general.


Nah.

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Postby jaimoe0 » Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:40 pm

I think rock and roll is big enough and weird enough to be a platform for pretty much any political ideology. Certainly the White Power movement made use hardcore punk to reach a young, angry, malleable audience, a neat subversion of a left-identified genre that would be funny if the politics weren't so objectionable. The problem any conservative philosophy runs into with rock and roll - and I'm sure there are conservative voices in rock, and if I really thought about it, I could probably identify one or two not named "Ted," but it's early and my head hurts - is that a left-leaning ideology has become kind of an orthodoxy in the music, which is fine by me, godless Socialist that I am. Did I make any point at all? Prolly not.

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Re: Politics

Postby russ » Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:42 pm

mikey wrote: I am not a racist; I don't hate gays and it's cool with me if they want to get married; I've never had sex with my sister/cousin/etc.; I rarely (if ever) go to church; people who want to pee on or burn the American flag are okay by me (if also slightly pitiable); and radical fundametalist Christians are just as scary to me as radical fundamentalist


May I ask if anyone else noticed you lumping gay people and their desire to the legal rights to be married, in the same sentence as racism, incest, flag burners and radical fundamentalists?

Do you equivocate all of them as things you are "ok" with, but morally you think they are on the same level together?


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